Why A Bottle Baby?

Most studs usually sell their babies that they don't want to breed from as bottle babies...Why?


Because they make great pets!


Here at Samittar Mini Goat Stud we have two breeding herds and have babies twice a year. We are breeding to achieve the best possible genetics for Miniature Goats, this can take many years and many generation to get to the desired size with good strong healthy animals.


Our goats are in good sized paddocks of natural and planted pastures and are also feed a good balance of diet using our own premix of minerals & vitamins and are never nutritionally challenged so grow small from genetics not lack of good nutrition.


Because we have a continuing growing herd we need to sell off babies that we cannot use in our breeding program each season. We have found that by putting the babies onto bottles they attach themselves to humans easier and there for can be sold at a young age on the bottle to be part of a new family. Most babies, if left on their mother, don't tame down as well as bottle babies.


When babies are sold they come with a little bag of goodies including a bottle, some powder to get you started and lots of information to keep them healthy and happy with their new families.


We only hold babies when they have had a non-refundable deposit paid on them. The deposit asked for is half the total price of the baby. The reason it is non refundable is that I have learnt people are more serious about buying their baby if they put on the deposit. In the past I have held babies only to have people say they have changed their minds, this no longer happens. So please be sure before you buy. Also if we are asked to hold your baby for a while then we will ask for an agistment fee as we usually are bottle-feeding a lot of babies which is time consuming.


I usually put the babies on the bottle at a couple of weeks old and I do not let them leave this Stud unless I am happy with their drinking patterns. People do need to realise that if you put an early deposit on a baby to hold it you may not be able to pick it up right way, as I said I will not let it go till I am happy with its drinking and health which of course is best for the baby and the new owner. Being animals I cannot predict how soon you can pick them up, this needs to be understood. There is no sense in being in a hurry to have them home only to have health issues arise.


If you do buy early and they are drinking fine you also need to realise I feed them 4 times a day at the beginning, then after around a week of good drinking an eating some I cut it back to 3 feeds a day. Each animal is an individual so is treated as such this keeps him or her in good health. They usually drink very fast so its not that it takes a long time to feed them just you need to work out how much time you have to feed them. Please again consider all these things before buying.


The best way to take your baby home is using 2 laundry baskets one on top of the other, then tied together. In the bottom one place a towel and they will travel happily that way for hours. We have taken goats on many trips that way, even weekends away when they can't be left alone at the bottle-feeding stage. We teach them to walk on a lead like a dog and then they have gone on picnics and all, they are always a real hit.


If you live a long way from us don't worry, goats get transported all over Australia by dog transporters at very reasonable prices and arrive in good condition. I have some transport numbers on the page Goat Transport, but please do not pay a deposit on a goat without a firm date from the transporters, or agistment fees may apply.


*Really though if buying a baby it is best to pick it up yourself.*


Some good tips for keeping your baby healthy and happy are: remembering these little guys are looking at you for love and protection as they would their mother so you got to understand that you and your family are Mum! In saying that, as Mum, you will need to realise they will need to be on the bottle for just over 2 months of their age. I find that around that age they are starting to eat fairly well and should be down to one bottle a day. I judge each baby as an individual and sometimes have had them still on one bottle a day at 3 months, (but that might be because they are my sooky baby, you have to watch they don't take over your heart).

Another good idea is having a woollen baby jumper on hand for those very cold days/nights. You can pick these up at a second hand clothing store is a good idea to have 2 on hand so you can wash one and have one on them. Remember for a boy you will need to tie it up underneath, hehe learnt that one when they kept getting wet!


When you come to pick up your baby they will only be about 13" high and very cute. I have sold many babies from photographs and have not had an unhappy customer yet. We will send more pictures if you want to see different angles/features but as we are a Registered Stud we will not let you down by selling you a goat that is not what we say or would not suit your family. I am very particular where my goats go to at any age and if I think you are not ready for a baby goat or I feel you haven't thought about the responsibility you are taking on then I will try and talk you out of it, hehe just ask my husband he just shakes his head 'cause all he sees is me turning a sale away, but no way is a goat of mine going to someone that thinks they are "throw away pets". People must realise they are very much like dogs and need a family that care about them, they can live around 20years, so please do think about this before you buy.


Bottle babies need to be kept warm and dry. When you first get your baby you will have to have a warm dry place for it to sleep. Of course this won't have to be big, but they will grow and we recommend a dog kennel, as they won't outgrow a medium one, they can snuggle up inside it. You can have straw as bedding which they will probably eat a bit but one bale would last you a long time. They will need a small enclosed area as bottle babies, as they grow they are fine in a medium back yard but like a dog they need stimulation so please go play with them or take them for walks cause 'goats just want to have fun'!

Health

Please if they get sick call us for advice straight away. If your animals seems quiet, different to when you bought him, then call us. If your animal gets sours (runny poo) call us. Always ring the stud that you bought the animal off before anyone else as they know their animals and may save you a lot of money. My husband and I have worked hands on in the animal health industry for many years and are very used to the diseases that can face young goats. My husband is also well versed in animals nutrition, what we don't know we have many contacts in the industry that are right on top of every subject, so please tell us right away about any health issues, most times health issues can be fixed easily if worked on straight away. First thing you will need to look at is, are they warm? Please make sure they are brought in by the heater if they get unwell, again use the laundry basket, cold bodies give up. When we sell babies they are in good health and on the bottle well. We have hardly ever had a scours problem if our information is followed but if you do when you take them home again call us. It maybe a simple thing like too much milk powder which is easily fixed by cutting the powder amount back. I totally recommend Stock Boost (see Stock Boost Page) and when our babies leave here for their new home I give their new owners a small amount to help them over their trip and changes. Stress is the main reason many animals die when sick so keep them calm and warm and call us. Don't panic but be aware.


When taking on a Bottle Baby please understand there are risks. These babies are young and sometimes the untrained eye may not pick up early signs of illness, keep in contact with the stud you buy from. I sell all my babies in complete good health and after they leave my house with my instructions I cannot be held accountable for an illness of a baby. Your environment is different to mine and stress plays a major part in baby’s health I will advise you completely but as all animals are sold in good health, cannot be held responsible. We give you some Vit. & Min. for their bottle at pick-up. We make up a mix of Dolomite/Vit.C/Salt/Sulpher and any other good min. I have on hand and put in containers in the paddock for them to eat as they need...they know when they need to have those min. in their diet. Make sure the Vit. mix doesnt get wet or its no good.

Why wethers (desexed males), make the best pets.

Another question people ask why we mostly sell wethers (desexed) boys as pets and not girls. Well simply wethers make great pets! These guys have been marked so there is no need for them to think about seasons or mating or being smelly and all the things that go along with that, they just think about you and having fun with their family, isn't that what you want in a family pet? We hardly ever sell baby girls as we are on a breeding program we keep the girls for future breeding. They make fine pets also but usually cost more as they are stud breeding stock and truly it's not necessary when there's lovely natured wethers available. Do girl goats ever get PMT hmmm.... not sure. Wethers don't!

Horns or no horns that is the question.

Here at Samittar Mini Goat Stud we always used to disbbud our babies which means they will not grow horns. The reason we did this,we thought it had to be done as we were led to believe goats will butt you with horns and it makes them safer. RUBBISH. Over the years we have let a few go through with horns I have to say I have absolutely not found any of my goats use their horns against me. The fact is that they can butt with or without horns,as they have really hard heads. I never, from babies let them push against my hand or leg in play and so they never do that to me as adults and I have breed well over a 100 goats including many bucks and never had them disrespect me. They are very smart animals and will spoil as any child would so with knowing who to respect it can be that simple.The pictures below show you disbudding but you can't hear the screaming or smell the burning skin and hair. My teenagers don't hang around when they hear we are going to do the horns. I wouldn't do this to my children.

I do have to say they seem to get over it pretty quick, but I have seen goats with injuries, such as one I had that got hit by a car and a human would be held up in hospital for weeks goats seem to ignore pain and keep going..they are amazing. Just not sure that its right for us to inflict pain because we can? Do you think this is what you should do with your pet? If you want the horns off you can get it done at the vets or is money the option to pain?

Goats like all animals, will have ones more dominate than others. Again I have not had a trouble with horns in my big groups. If you are not going to be around your goats with horns much then don't have collars on them and don't have them in paddocks with hinge joint fencing as in both cases they can get stuck with their horns. Ihave a friend with a major dairy and she has Does with huge udders in small areas so she said horns would be an issue but for me even with Mini Milkers I have not had an issue (remembering they don't get huge udders).

Many breeders won't have horns as they say they are dangerous for small children as they are pointy while growing, true. If nessessary put tape on the ends, problem fixed.

I am thinking that one day animal committees may stop this disbudding practice and I will not be sad to be told we can't do it, as goats are born with horns, (like dog breeds that are born with tails), but people don't like them so they are taken off.

The other issues happening with horns are the Shows. Ok so I don't show myself so don't have the problem but I can't understand why when goats are born with horns are they not shown with horns? If your goat is a wild type and you cannot control it so that is won't stick a horn into a judge or another goat then why are you showing it? Again they have now band tail docking with dogs!

I have a great Angora Buck Samittar Joey with massive horns who never uses them and is the biggest sook but people are scared cause he has horns. It comes down to us humans getting over ourselves and not being controlling. God made goats with horns until I see why I have to take them off I won't do that practice anymore.

Take a look again at the pictures and then you might realise what a totally cruel practice it is, when teaching your loving friend to be respectful is so much kinder.

Respectful goats.

We never play rough games with our goats and for that reason I have full-grown goats that are safe for everyone. Don't teach your goats bad habits and regret it later, like children they will learn from you. None of our goats butt us because we simply don't encourage that play ever. There are plenty of fun ways to play without butting so remember if your little baby goat is pushing on your hand and you think its cute are you going to like that game when it gets bigger? You wouldn't let your puppy chew your hand off or pull on your clothes. Don't teach it as a baby they won't play it as an adult, simple!


We get asked if you need 2 goats. I will never try to sell you 2 goats if I think it’s not necessary just for a sale. I will ask you about your house/home if you have other pets like will it have a dog for company. I have sold a few goats to be friends for a dog when people don't want 2 dogs. Goats get on fine with other animals (please introduce slowly). You know your dog would it bite or harass the goat? Most dogs get on fine with Miniature Goats and they play and have lots of fun together. These babies here are raised with cats, dogs, chooks and children but as each animal is new to them they need to meet them slowly, when they see no need to be scared of the above list they will bounce around and steel your heart.


If you have young children that will play with them regularly or you are home a lot then one is fine, they just love company again like a dog or they may get board and sad. Goat’s love life so don't change that for them! If you think that you haven't got the above stimulation for them then definitely get 2. They don't have to be the same age, again introduce slowly, it’s just easier if you can buy 2 at the same time and they will be the best of mates.


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If you’re having a bad day go sit with your goat and they wash all your worries away!